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  <title>Episode 30: A conversation with a luminary #5: Rebecca Saxe</title>
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  <description>In this "A conversation with a luminary" episode, we chat with the inimitable and rewnowned Dr. Rebecca Saxe about her academic career, how she handles the constant stream of rejections, how she got interested in the developmental cognitive sciences, how she was as a student, how she came to work with Dr. Nancy Kanwisher as well as her views on Dr. Kanwisher as a mentor, and her transformative work on the Theory of Mind, among many other things.
 Special Guest: Rebecca Saxe.
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this &quot;A conversation with a luminary&quot; episode, we chat with the inimitable and rewnowned Dr. Rebecca Saxe about her academic career, how she handles the constant stream of rejections, how she got interested in the developmental cognitive sciences, how she was as a student, how she came to work with Dr. Nancy Kanwisher as well as her views on Dr. Kanwisher as a mentor, and her transformative work on the Theory of Mind, among many other things.</p><p>Special Guest: Rebecca Saxe.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this &quot;A conversation with a luminary&quot; episode, we chat with the inimitable and rewnowned Dr. Rebecca Saxe about her academic career, how she handles the constant stream of rejections, how she got interested in the developmental cognitive sciences, how she was as a student, how she came to work with Dr. Nancy Kanwisher as well as her views on Dr. Kanwisher as a mentor, and her transformative work on the Theory of Mind, among many other things.</p><p>Special Guest: Rebecca Saxe.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 29: A happy little dance between attention and working memory (with Zsuzsa Kaldy)</title>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2025 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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  <description>In this episode, we chat with Zsuza Kaldy about her journey in science and her recent theory paper with Erik Blaser in which they argue that attention and working memory work in concert to pursue goals. We also chat her life in grad school, what it was like to be surrounded by luminaries such as Jerry Fodor and Rochel Gelman, to name a few. This was a fun episode! 
Links 
Blaser, E., &amp;amp; Kaldy, Z. (2025). How attention and working memory work together in the pursuit of goals: The development of the sampling-remembering trade-off. Developmental Review, 75, 101187.
 Link (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0273229725000024?casa_token=OWZCi1E34z8AAAAA:9OJnPAX-TPThi0jp6bYUSHOlcd5se8TYrpy1OaOxD5Hrc9j5er1mRCZrLPYiFVjW87wmXcOy) Special Guest: Zsuza Kaldy.
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we chat with Zsuza Kaldy about her journey in science and her recent theory paper with Erik Blaser in which they argue that attention and working memory work in concert to pursue goals. We also chat her life in grad school, what it was like to be surrounded by luminaries such as Jerry Fodor and Rochel Gelman, to name a few. This was a fun episode! </p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Blaser, E., &amp; Kaldy, Z. (2025). How attention and working memory work together in the pursuit of goals: The development of the sampling-remembering trade-off. Developmental Review, 75, 101187.<br>
 <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0273229725000024?casa_token=OWZCi1E34z8AAAAA:9OJnPAX-TPThi0jp6bYUSHOlcd5se8TYrpy1OaOxD5Hrc9j5er1mRCZrLPYiFVjW87wmXcOy" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p><p>Special Guest: Zsuza Kaldy.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we chat with Zsuza Kaldy about her journey in science and her recent theory paper with Erik Blaser in which they argue that attention and working memory work in concert to pursue goals. We also chat her life in grad school, what it was like to be surrounded by luminaries such as Jerry Fodor and Rochel Gelman, to name a few. This was a fun episode! </p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Blaser, E., &amp; Kaldy, Z. (2025). How attention and working memory work together in the pursuit of goals: The development of the sampling-remembering trade-off. Developmental Review, 75, 101187.<br>
 <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0273229725000024?casa_token=OWZCi1E34z8AAAAA:9OJnPAX-TPThi0jp6bYUSHOlcd5se8TYrpy1OaOxD5Hrc9j5er1mRCZrLPYiFVjW87wmXcOy" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p><p>Special Guest: Zsuza Kaldy.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 12: A fresh new look</title>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2023 21:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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  <description>We are excited to be back! In this episode, Deon introduces new co-host, Jenny Wang. Then Jenny and Deon discuss their origin stories; that is, they discuss how they got to where they are! 
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  <title>Episode 11: Birds of a Feather... Share Saliva?</title>
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  <description>In this episode, We chat with Ashley Thomas about her recent paper in the journal Science on whether infants use saliva sharing to infer relationship closeness as well as about some of the more recent controversial papers in Developmental Psychology! 
Plus, Deon and Ashley discover—perhaps much to Deon's chagrin—that their views may be more in common than they are different.
Links 
Thomas, A. J., Woo, B., Nettle, D., Spelke, E., &amp;amp; Saxe, R. (2022). Early concepts of intimacy: Young humans use saliva sharing to infer close relationships. Science, 375(6578), 311-315. Link to paper (Thomas, A. J., Woo, B., Nettle, D., Spelke, E., &amp;amp; Saxe, R. (2022). Early concepts of intimacy: Young humans use saliva sharing to infer close relationships. Science, 375(6578), 311-315.) Special Guest: Ashley Thomas.
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, We chat with Ashley Thomas about her recent paper in the journal Science on whether infants use saliva sharing to infer relationship closeness as well as about some of the more recent controversial papers in Developmental Psychology! </p>

<p>Plus, Deon and Ashley discover—perhaps much to Deon&#39;s chagrin—that their views may be more in common than they are different.</p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Thomas, A. J., Woo, B., Nettle, D., Spelke, E., &amp; Saxe, R. (2022). Early concepts of intimacy: Young humans use saliva sharing to infer close relationships. Science, 375(6578), 311-315. [Link to paper](Thomas, A. J., Woo, B., Nettle, D., Spelke, E., &amp; Saxe, R. (2022). Early concepts of intimacy: Young humans use saliva sharing to infer close relationships. Science, 375(6578), 311-315.)</p><p>Special Guest: Ashley Thomas.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, We chat with Ashley Thomas about her recent paper in the journal Science on whether infants use saliva sharing to infer relationship closeness as well as about some of the more recent controversial papers in Developmental Psychology! </p>

<p>Plus, Deon and Ashley discover—perhaps much to Deon&#39;s chagrin—that their views may be more in common than they are different.</p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Thomas, A. J., Woo, B., Nettle, D., Spelke, E., &amp; Saxe, R. (2022). Early concepts of intimacy: Young humans use saliva sharing to infer close relationships. Science, 375(6578), 311-315. [Link to paper](Thomas, A. J., Woo, B., Nettle, D., Spelke, E., &amp; Saxe, R. (2022). Early concepts of intimacy: Young humans use saliva sharing to infer close relationships. Science, 375(6578), 311-315.)</p><p>Special Guest: Ashley Thomas.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 4: What's morals got to do with it?</title>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2023 23:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Deon Benton &amp; Jenny Wang</author>
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  <description>Candy and Deon begin the episode by discussing their respective plans for teaching this fall. Specifically, they discuss whether they'll be teaching fully in person, fully remotely, or some combination of both. Note that since recording this episode, Deon has decided that he'll teach fully remotely—in the episode he was leaning toward a hyflex approach. In second segment, Candy and Deon discuss Kiley Hamlin's classic study on infants' developing sociomoral evaluations as well as a recent replication attempt of the original study by Schlingloff, Csibra, and Tatone (2007). Candy and Deon also discuss whether the data reported in either the original study or replication attempt support the claim that infants possess a "innate moral core" (Hamlin, 2013). And in an episode first Candace and Deon actually disagree about something! Does this spell the end for this nascent podcast? 
Links 
Hamlin, J. K., Wynn, K., &amp;amp; Bloom, P. (2007). Social evaluation by preverbal infants. Nature, 450(7169), 557-559. Link to paper  (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature06288)
Schlingloff, Csibra, &amp;amp; Tatone, D. (2020). Do 15-month-old infants prefer helpers? A replication of Hamlin et al. (2007). Royal Society Open Science, 7(4), 1-7. Link to paper (https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsos.191795) 
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  <itunes:keywords>sociomoral evaluation, cognitive development</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Candy and Deon begin the episode by discussing their respective plans for teaching this fall. Specifically, they discuss whether they&#39;ll be teaching fully in person, fully remotely, or some combination of both. Note that since recording this episode, Deon has decided that he&#39;ll teach fully remotely—in the episode he was leaning toward a hyflex approach. In second segment, Candy and Deon discuss Kiley Hamlin&#39;s classic study on infants&#39; developing sociomoral evaluations as well as a recent replication attempt of the original study by Schlingloff, Csibra, and Tatone (2007). Candy and Deon also discuss whether the data reported in either the original study or replication attempt support the claim that infants possess a &quot;innate moral core&quot; (Hamlin, 2013). And in an episode first Candace and Deon actually disagree about something! Does this spell the end for this nascent podcast? </p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Hamlin, J. K., Wynn, K., &amp; Bloom, P. (2007). Social evaluation by preverbal infants. Nature, 450(7169), 557-559. <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/nature06288" rel="nofollow">Link to paper </a><br>
Schlingloff, Csibra, &amp; Tatone, D. (2020). Do 15-month-old infants prefer helpers? A replication of Hamlin et al. (2007). Royal Society Open Science, 7(4), 1-7. <a href="https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsos.191795" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Candy and Deon begin the episode by discussing their respective plans for teaching this fall. Specifically, they discuss whether they&#39;ll be teaching fully in person, fully remotely, or some combination of both. Note that since recording this episode, Deon has decided that he&#39;ll teach fully remotely—in the episode he was leaning toward a hyflex approach. In second segment, Candy and Deon discuss Kiley Hamlin&#39;s classic study on infants&#39; developing sociomoral evaluations as well as a recent replication attempt of the original study by Schlingloff, Csibra, and Tatone (2007). Candy and Deon also discuss whether the data reported in either the original study or replication attempt support the claim that infants possess a &quot;innate moral core&quot; (Hamlin, 2013). And in an episode first Candace and Deon actually disagree about something! Does this spell the end for this nascent podcast? </p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Hamlin, J. K., Wynn, K., &amp; Bloom, P. (2007). Social evaluation by preverbal infants. Nature, 450(7169), 557-559. <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/nature06288" rel="nofollow">Link to paper </a><br>
Schlingloff, Csibra, &amp; Tatone, D. (2020). Do 15-month-old infants prefer helpers? A replication of Hamlin et al. (2007). Royal Society Open Science, 7(4), 1-7. <a href="https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsos.191795" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 3: An Innate Fear of the Term Innate? (with David Rakison)</title>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2023 23:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Deon Benton &amp; Jenny Wang</author>
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  <description>In this episode, we talk with the esteemed Dr. David Rakison about his research on categorization in older infants and young children. We then ask David to give us his hot take on the term innate and what evidence he'd need to convince him that something is, in fact, innate. We also discuss what the term mechanism really means as well as how to identify one when you see it. We also spend some time talking about how David teaches students to think about mechanism as well as the larger debate between nativists and empiricists. We conclude this episode by having David talk about his upbringing, what got him into psychology in the first place, and what he'd be doing if he weren't a developmental psychologist. There's even a brief discussion on the psychology of murder! PS. Deon woud like to apologize for the quality of his audio. He hopes to have this issue fixed by the next episode. Special Guest: David Rakison.
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we talk with the esteemed Dr. David Rakison about his research on categorization in older infants and young children. We then ask David to give us his hot take on the term innate and what evidence he&#39;d need to convince him that something is, in fact, innate. We also discuss what the term mechanism really means as well as how to identify one when you see it. We also spend some time talking about how David teaches students to think about mechanism as well as the larger debate between nativists and empiricists. We conclude this episode by having David talk about his upbringing, what got him into psychology in the first place, and what he&#39;d be doing if he weren&#39;t a developmental psychologist. There&#39;s even a brief discussion on the psychology of murder! PS. Deon woud like to apologize for the quality of his audio. He hopes to have this issue fixed by the next episode.</p><p>Special Guest: David Rakison.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we talk with the esteemed Dr. David Rakison about his research on categorization in older infants and young children. We then ask David to give us his hot take on the term innate and what evidence he&#39;d need to convince him that something is, in fact, innate. We also discuss what the term mechanism really means as well as how to identify one when you see it. We also spend some time talking about how David teaches students to think about mechanism as well as the larger debate between nativists and empiricists. We conclude this episode by having David talk about his upbringing, what got him into psychology in the first place, and what he&#39;d be doing if he weren&#39;t a developmental psychologist. There&#39;s even a brief discussion on the psychology of murder! PS. Deon woud like to apologize for the quality of his audio. He hopes to have this issue fixed by the next episode.</p><p>Special Guest: David Rakison.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 6: Do children theorize about academic performance? (with Melis Muradoğlu)</title>
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  <author>Deon Benton &amp; Jenny Wang</author>
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  <description>Candy, Deon, and Melis begin this episode by discussing how they've gone about conducting research with children during the pandemic. Then, in the second half of the episode, Melis talks about her work in Child Development that examined children's developing understanding of academic performance. Specifically, she argues that children consider a person's effort and intrinsic skill when evaluating and interpreting their performance, which is at odds with a classic view that maintained that children only considere effort when evaluating performance. 
Links 
Muradoglu, M., &amp;amp; Cimpian, A. (2020). Children’s Intuitive Theories of Academic Performance. Child development, 91(4), e902-e918. Link to paper (https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cdev.13325?casa_token=7rL_-S3b0eYAAAAA:WEB8RIA4fE0JA_OG2F6Mx0aY-wlEoCM7LVmliEEdEdmCY2LC1SqstgEpPqfSYo7Q7zNqt402IwP0IQ) 
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    <![CDATA[<p>Candy, Deon, and Melis begin this episode by discussing how they&#39;ve gone about conducting research with children during the pandemic. Then, in the second half of the episode, Melis talks about her work in Child Development that examined children&#39;s developing understanding of academic performance. Specifically, she argues that children consider a person&#39;s effort and intrinsic skill when evaluating and interpreting their performance, which is at odds with a classic view that maintained that children only considere effort when evaluating performance. </p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Muradoglu, M., &amp; Cimpian, A. (2020). Children’s Intuitive Theories of Academic Performance. Child development, 91(4), e902-e918. <a href="https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cdev.13325?casa_token=7rL_-S3b0eYAAAAA:WEB8RIA4fE0JA_OG2F6Mx0aY-wlEoCM7LVmliEEdEdmCY2LC1SqstgEpPqfSYo7Q7zNqt402IwP0IQ" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Candy, Deon, and Melis begin this episode by discussing how they&#39;ve gone about conducting research with children during the pandemic. Then, in the second half of the episode, Melis talks about her work in Child Development that examined children&#39;s developing understanding of academic performance. Specifically, she argues that children consider a person&#39;s effort and intrinsic skill when evaluating and interpreting their performance, which is at odds with a classic view that maintained that children only considere effort when evaluating performance. </p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Muradoglu, M., &amp; Cimpian, A. (2020). Children’s Intuitive Theories of Academic Performance. Child development, 91(4), e902-e918. <a href="https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cdev.13325?casa_token=7rL_-S3b0eYAAAAA:WEB8RIA4fE0JA_OG2F6Mx0aY-wlEoCM7LVmliEEdEdmCY2LC1SqstgEpPqfSYo7Q7zNqt402IwP0IQ" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 8: Don't judge a wagden by its category label (with Lisa Scott)</title>
  <link>https://itsinnate.fireside.fm/8</link>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2023 23:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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  <description>In this episode, Candy and Deon talk with Lisa Scott about her work on the role of labels on category learning in young infants, in addition to what the mechanism is that enables labels to exert their influence on category acquisition. Plus, we open the episode by discussing student feedback. Do we disregard all feedback? Do we consider some and ignore others? Do we use feedback to improve future courses? We conclude by asking Lisa about her views on innateness as well as whether her research is relevant to the debate between nativists and empiricists. 
Links 
Pickron, C. B., Iyer, A., Fava, E., &amp;amp; Scott, L. S. (2018). Learning to individuate: The specificity of labels differentially impacts infant visual attention. Child development, 89(3), 698-710. Link to paper (https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/cdev.13004) Special Guest: Lisa Scott.
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  <itunes:keywords>face perception, cognitive development</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Candy and Deon talk with Lisa Scott about her work on the role of labels on category learning in young infants, in addition to what the mechanism is that enables labels to exert their influence on category acquisition. Plus, we open the episode by discussing student feedback. Do we disregard all feedback? Do we consider some and ignore others? Do we use feedback to improve future courses? We conclude by asking Lisa about her views on innateness as well as whether her research is relevant to the debate between nativists and empiricists. </p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Pickron, C. B., Iyer, A., Fava, E., &amp; Scott, L. S. (2018). Learning to individuate: The specificity of labels differentially impacts infant visual attention. Child development, 89(3), 698-710. <a href="https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/cdev.13004" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a></p><p>Special Guest: Lisa Scott.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Candy and Deon talk with Lisa Scott about her work on the role of labels on category learning in young infants, in addition to what the mechanism is that enables labels to exert their influence on category acquisition. Plus, we open the episode by discussing student feedback. Do we disregard all feedback? Do we consider some and ignore others? Do we use feedback to improve future courses? We conclude by asking Lisa about her views on innateness as well as whether her research is relevant to the debate between nativists and empiricists. </p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Pickron, C. B., Iyer, A., Fava, E., &amp; Scott, L. S. (2018). Learning to individuate: The specificity of labels differentially impacts infant visual attention. Child development, 89(3), 698-710. <a href="https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/cdev.13004" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a></p><p>Special Guest: Lisa Scott.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 10: That's just a bunch of nonsense you jive turkey</title>
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  <description>After taking a semester-long hiatus, Candy and Deon are back! In this episode, they talk about classic work that examined how infants segment continous speech. Specifically, they discuss a classic paper published in Science by Jenny Saffran, Richard Aslin, and Elisa Newport (1996) (as well as follow-up papers) that examined infants' ability to segment speech by tracking the internal statistics of that speech. This episode is unique and unlike other episodes in that Candy and Deon pick on their own kind this time—empiricists! Hide your natvisists, hide your empiricists—no one's safe! 
Links 
Aslin, R. N., Saffran, J. R., &amp;amp; Newport, E. L. (1998). Computation of conditional probability statistics by 8-month-old infants. Psychological science, 9(4), 321-324. Link to paper (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/1467-9280.00063?casa_token=4oDOkWSZ4GUAAAAA:BvHwWlVau1Ek0GTSl6XUefCF-LDiHVyEm5J_gxme-XBFbprSgjDJRLTj060dVCQQvs7NZGYZc3QS) 
Pelucchi, B., Hay, J. F., &amp;amp; Saffran, J. R. (2009). Statistical learning in a natural language by 8‐month‐old infants. Child development, 80(3), 674-685. Link to paper (https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8624.2009.01290.x?casa_token=LrtB4I3jai8AAAAA:yzB1WApSw_6Zobof6VwraHtGqZzMU5Sih4loO4S-PtO23tN2bY9wOiJqZNUeBHRHsky7uwC6X1Ta5g) 
Saffran, J. R., Aslin, R. N., &amp;amp; Newport, E. L. (1996). Statistical learning by 8-month-old infants. Science, 274(5294), 1926-1928. Link to paper  (https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.274.5294.1926)
Slone, L. K., &amp;amp; Johnson, S. P. (2018). When learning goes beyond statistics: Infants represent visual sequences in terms of chunks. Cognition, 178, 92-102. Link to paper (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010027718301367?casa_token=3gs0n72Fvo4AAAAA:HdKKI3uELF8zVCuLDQ3GKhnTUNsStyiL6A8LkKMYje1yRTTOeVxiUP5PwD80QfVUnntuxDny) 
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  <itunes:keywords>statistical learning, mechanism, cognitive development</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>After taking a semester-long hiatus, Candy and Deon are back! In this episode, they talk about classic work that examined how infants segment continous speech. Specifically, they discuss a classic paper published in Science by Jenny Saffran, Richard Aslin, and Elisa Newport (1996) (as well as follow-up papers) that examined infants&#39; ability to segment speech by tracking the internal statistics of that speech. This episode is unique and unlike other episodes in that Candy and Deon pick on their own kind this time—empiricists! Hide your natvisists, hide your empiricists—no one&#39;s safe! </p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Aslin, R. N., Saffran, J. R., &amp; Newport, E. L. (1998). Computation of conditional probability statistics by 8-month-old infants. Psychological science, 9(4), 321-324. <a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/1467-9280.00063?casa_token=4oDOkWSZ4GUAAAAA:BvHwWlVau1Ek0GTSl6XUefCF-LDiHVyEm5J_gxme-XBFbprSgjDJRLTj060dVCQQvs7NZGYZc3QS" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a> </p>

<p>Pelucchi, B., Hay, J. F., &amp; Saffran, J. R. (2009). Statistical learning in a natural language by 8‐month‐old infants. Child development, 80(3), 674-685. <a href="https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8624.2009.01290.x?casa_token=LrtB4I3jai8AAAAA:yzB1WApSw_6Zobof6VwraHtGqZzMU5Sih4loO4S-PtO23tN2bY9wOiJqZNUeBHRHsky7uwC6X1Ta5g" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a> <br>
Saffran, J. R., Aslin, R. N., &amp; Newport, E. L. (1996). Statistical learning by 8-month-old infants. Science, 274(5294), 1926-1928. <a href="https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.274.5294.1926" rel="nofollow">Link to paper </a><br>
Slone, L. K., &amp; Johnson, S. P. (2018). When learning goes beyond statistics: Infants represent visual sequences in terms of chunks. Cognition, 178, 92-102. <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010027718301367?casa_token=3gs0n72Fvo4AAAAA:HdKKI3uELF8zVCuLDQ3GKhnTUNsStyiL6A8LkKMYje1yRTTOeVxiUP5PwD80QfVUnntuxDny" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>After taking a semester-long hiatus, Candy and Deon are back! In this episode, they talk about classic work that examined how infants segment continous speech. Specifically, they discuss a classic paper published in Science by Jenny Saffran, Richard Aslin, and Elisa Newport (1996) (as well as follow-up papers) that examined infants&#39; ability to segment speech by tracking the internal statistics of that speech. This episode is unique and unlike other episodes in that Candy and Deon pick on their own kind this time—empiricists! Hide your natvisists, hide your empiricists—no one&#39;s safe! </p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Aslin, R. N., Saffran, J. R., &amp; Newport, E. L. (1998). Computation of conditional probability statistics by 8-month-old infants. Psychological science, 9(4), 321-324. <a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/1467-9280.00063?casa_token=4oDOkWSZ4GUAAAAA:BvHwWlVau1Ek0GTSl6XUefCF-LDiHVyEm5J_gxme-XBFbprSgjDJRLTj060dVCQQvs7NZGYZc3QS" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a> </p>

<p>Pelucchi, B., Hay, J. F., &amp; Saffran, J. R. (2009). Statistical learning in a natural language by 8‐month‐old infants. Child development, 80(3), 674-685. <a href="https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8624.2009.01290.x?casa_token=LrtB4I3jai8AAAAA:yzB1WApSw_6Zobof6VwraHtGqZzMU5Sih4loO4S-PtO23tN2bY9wOiJqZNUeBHRHsky7uwC6X1Ta5g" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a> <br>
Saffran, J. R., Aslin, R. N., &amp; Newport, E. L. (1996). Statistical learning by 8-month-old infants. Science, 274(5294), 1926-1928. <a href="https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.274.5294.1926" rel="nofollow">Link to paper </a><br>
Slone, L. K., &amp; Johnson, S. P. (2018). When learning goes beyond statistics: Infants represent visual sequences in terms of chunks. Cognition, 178, 92-102. <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010027718301367?casa_token=3gs0n72Fvo4AAAAA:HdKKI3uELF8zVCuLDQ3GKhnTUNsStyiL6A8LkKMYje1yRTTOeVxiUP5PwD80QfVUnntuxDny" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 9: Nothin' but some long-hair, baldheaded faces (with Charisse Pickron)</title>
  <link>https://itsinnate.fireside.fm/9</link>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2023 23:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Deon Benton &amp; Jenny Wang</author>
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  <description>This was a fun episode to record with our latest guest, Dr. Charisse Pickron. In the first segment, we talk about politics and, specically, about what a Joe Biden presidency means and what another Donald Trump presidency would mean. Spoiler:We all agree that a second Trump term would be absolutely catastrophic. In the second segment, we talk with Charisse about her work on infant individuation of male and female faces as well as speculate on the processes and mechanisms that support such individuation. 
Links 
Pickron, C. B., &amp;amp; Cheries, E. W. (2019). Infants’ Individuation of Faces by Gender. Brain sciences, 9(7), 163. Link to paper (https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3425/9/7/163) 
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    <![CDATA[<p>This was a fun episode to record with our latest guest, Dr. Charisse Pickron. In the first segment, we talk about politics and, specically, about what a Joe Biden presidency means and what another Donald Trump presidency would mean. Spoiler:We all agree that a second Trump term would be absolutely catastrophic. In the second segment, we talk with Charisse about her work on infant individuation of male and female faces as well as speculate on the processes and mechanisms that support such individuation. </p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Pickron, C. B., &amp; Cheries, E. W. (2019). Infants’ Individuation of Faces by Gender. Brain sciences, 9(7), 163. <a href="https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3425/9/7/163" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This was a fun episode to record with our latest guest, Dr. Charisse Pickron. In the first segment, we talk about politics and, specically, about what a Joe Biden presidency means and what another Donald Trump presidency would mean. Spoiler:We all agree that a second Trump term would be absolutely catastrophic. In the second segment, we talk with Charisse about her work on infant individuation of male and female faces as well as speculate on the processes and mechanisms that support such individuation. </p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Pickron, C. B., &amp; Cheries, E. W. (2019). Infants’ Individuation of Faces by Gender. Brain sciences, 9(7), 163. <a href="https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3425/9/7/163" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 2: When 1+1 equals more, not 2</title>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2023 22:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Deon Benton &amp; Jenny Wang</author>
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  <description>Candy and Deon begin this episode by discussing a recent email exchange between Jonathan Kominsky and Martin Packer about whether studies that use puppets are really testing young children's theory of mind rather than, for example, their "theory of puppets." Spoiler: Candy is less optimistic that they are; Deon is much more optimistic that, at the very least, they are approaching the question in the right way . Candy and Deon then discuss a seminal paper by Wynn (1992) that examined 5-month-olds' capacity to add and subtract small numbers. Specifically, they discuss whether the claim "that infants are able to compute the precise results of simple additions and subtractions" (Wynn, 1992, p. 749) is supported by the data. Candy and Deon discuss why they think that the claim is not supported by the data and then go on to discuss some mixed evidence for this claim from follow-up replication attempts. 
Links 
Cohen, L.B., &amp;amp; Marks, K.S. (2002). How infants process addition and subtraction events. Developmental Science, 5(2), 186-201. Link to paper (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1467-7687.00220?casa_token=wuzQ1nJKEiAAAAAA:rnnXBlspfWDFGhXVjPi4lUv09inCMcNqy0_7sH-2stwGdS2OSEvs6HxmRsoT1s6yj2F3mzj9rMPNRQ) 
Simon, T.J., Hespos, S.J., &amp;amp; Rochat, P. (1995). Do Infants Understand Simple Arithmetic? A Replication of Wynn (1992). Cognitive Development, 10, 253-269. Link to paper (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/088520149590011X) 
Wynn, K. (1992). Addition and subtraction by human infants. Nature. 358, 749-750. Link to paper (https://www.nature.com/articles/358749a0) 
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  <itunes:keywords>infant math, cognitive development, methods</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Candy and Deon begin this episode by discussing a recent email exchange between Jonathan Kominsky and Martin Packer about whether studies that use puppets are really testing young children&#39;s theory of mind rather than, for example, their &quot;theory of puppets.&quot; Spoiler: Candy is less optimistic that they are; Deon is much more optimistic that, at the very least, they are approaching the question in the right way . Candy and Deon then discuss a seminal paper by Wynn (1992) that examined 5-month-olds&#39; capacity to add and subtract small numbers. Specifically, they discuss whether the claim &quot;that infants are able to compute the precise results of simple additions and subtractions&quot; (Wynn, 1992, p. 749) is supported by the data. Candy and Deon discuss why they think that the claim is not supported by the data and then go on to discuss some mixed evidence for this claim from follow-up replication attempts. </p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Cohen, L.B., &amp; Marks, K.S. (2002). How infants process addition and subtraction events. Developmental Science, 5(2), 186-201. <a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1467-7687.00220?casa_token=wuzQ1nJKEiAAAAAA:rnnXBlspfWDFGhXVjPi4lUv09inCMcNqy0_7sH-2stwGdS2OSEvs6HxmRsoT1s6yj2F3mzj9rMPNRQ" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a> <br>
Simon, T.J., Hespos, S.J., &amp; Rochat, P. (1995). Do Infants Understand Simple Arithmetic? A Replication of Wynn (1992). Cognitive Development, 10, 253-269. <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/088520149590011X" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a> <br>
Wynn, K. (1992). Addition and subtraction by human infants. Nature. 358, 749-750. <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/358749a0" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Candy and Deon begin this episode by discussing a recent email exchange between Jonathan Kominsky and Martin Packer about whether studies that use puppets are really testing young children&#39;s theory of mind rather than, for example, their &quot;theory of puppets.&quot; Spoiler: Candy is less optimistic that they are; Deon is much more optimistic that, at the very least, they are approaching the question in the right way . Candy and Deon then discuss a seminal paper by Wynn (1992) that examined 5-month-olds&#39; capacity to add and subtract small numbers. Specifically, they discuss whether the claim &quot;that infants are able to compute the precise results of simple additions and subtractions&quot; (Wynn, 1992, p. 749) is supported by the data. Candy and Deon discuss why they think that the claim is not supported by the data and then go on to discuss some mixed evidence for this claim from follow-up replication attempts. </p>

<p>Links </p>

<p>Cohen, L.B., &amp; Marks, K.S. (2002). How infants process addition and subtraction events. Developmental Science, 5(2), 186-201. <a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1467-7687.00220?casa_token=wuzQ1nJKEiAAAAAA:rnnXBlspfWDFGhXVjPi4lUv09inCMcNqy0_7sH-2stwGdS2OSEvs6HxmRsoT1s6yj2F3mzj9rMPNRQ" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a> <br>
Simon, T.J., Hespos, S.J., &amp; Rochat, P. (1995). Do Infants Understand Simple Arithmetic? A Replication of Wynn (1992). Cognitive Development, 10, 253-269. <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/088520149590011X" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a> <br>
Wynn, K. (1992). Addition and subtraction by human infants. Nature. 358, 749-750. <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/358749a0" rel="nofollow">Link to paper</a></p>]]>
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